In the film, Richard
Pimentel (played by Ron Livingston) and Art Honeyman
(played by Michael Sheen) both had to contend with
disabilities in their lives. Portraying their
experiences in confronting the subtle and not-so-subtle
attitudinal barriers that face people with disabilities,
the film personalizes the emerging disability rights
movement and the advent of the Americans with
Disabilities Act.
In our recent interview
with him, Richard Pimentel gave us rich insight into his
life and the importance of this movie experience.
OBLN:
Richard, a large part of Music Within is focused
on your crusade with Windmills - the attitudinal
training program that you developed for employers.
Windmills has been one of the most important
influences in the opening North American workplaces to
workers with disabilities. Companies like Portland
General Electric, here in Oregon still use it regularly.
You must be very proud of the impact that you have had
through it.
Richard
Pimentel: A good friend of mine once said “Greatness
can only be seen through the rearview mirror. You never
see it through the front windshield.” Ultimately what we
do on a day-to-day basis is just try to stay on the
road. I feel that way about Windmills. Years ago,
I was a job developer in Portland. I was trying to find
jobs for people with disabilities. I would talk to
employers and find that they had these attitude
problems. I would take my time to educate each of them.
Eventually, I just got tired. I couldn’t continue to
give the same message to dozens of individuals every
day. I decided to put it into a training program that I
could use to educate several people at the same time. I
would give these talks to groups of employers and then I
would follow up with each of them – trying to get them
to hire my job-seekers.
Some employer in
Portland had heard my presentation and reported to his
national headquarters that it was a really neat training
program. This somehow got to the California Governor’s
Committee for the Employment of People with Disabilities
who wanted me to develop it into a full-blown training
program. I took a year off and wrote Windmills. It came
out with perfect timing. The disability movement was
just picking up steam but there was no strong employer
component to it. It was like a missing piece of the
puzzle and it exploded! I saw this little thing that I
had designed, just to help me place a caseload of about
thirty people with disabilities into jobs, suddenly
become the corporate training tool for companies like
ARCO and IBM. Clarence Thomas invited to me train all
the investigators for the U. S. Equal Employment
Opportunity Commission. As part of the momentum of the
entire disability movement, it was a huge roller-coaster
ride.
OBLN:
In Music Within your mentor, Ben Padrow, tells you not
to focus on getting people to change their minds about
people with disabilities, but to change their minds
about themselves. How is that reflected in the
Windmills program?
Richard Pimentel:
In the earliest days of disability training we had
“imitative training.” Trainers would come in and tell
employers they were going to make all their people
sensitive to disability. They would put non-disabled
employees in wheelchairs. They would blindfold them.
They would put earmuffs on them. They would tell them
“You are now paraplegic, blind or deaf.” And they would
have to go through their day that way. At the end of the
day, those employees would shed those devices and say
“Boy, poor people with disabilities. Let me write you a
check.” What we didn’t see was that they weren’t hiring
anyone. Those trainings elicited sympathy – not empathy.
They focused on getting employers to do something for
people with disabilities – rather than encouraging them
to do things with people with disabilities.
When we entered the
picture, we first asked “Why are employers reluctant to
hire people with disabilities?” Overwhelmingly, we
received the answer: “Employers lack confidence in the
ability of people with disability to do the job”. In
response, the disability community passed around things
like the DuPont study which showed that, on the job,
people with disabilities performed as well or better
than their non-disabled counterparts. They passed around
testimonials about how great this blind guy, or this
deaf girl were on the job. But still employers weren’t
hiring people.
I talked about this
with a lot of people. Then one day I had this epiphany:
Employers are not reluctant to hire people with
disabilities because they have a lack of confidence in
the ability of people with disabilities. In fact, it is
because they have a lack of confidence in their own
ability to work effectively with people with
disabilities. Once I realized that, we diverted
Windmills away from teaching employers everything
they ever wanted to know about being blind, deaf, etc.
and we made it an exploration of how people make
decisions, why people react in certain ways, why the
good skills you already have in working with people are
the same skills that will allow you to work effectively
with people with disabilities – and why you are afraid
to do it. As soon as we shifted away from “We want you
to feel better about these people” to “We want you to
feel better about yourself” we began building the
confidence of employers in themselves. That resulted in
interviews, that resulted in hires, and that resulted in
retention.
You are right, that one
line from Ben Padrow is really the key to Windmills,
its Rosetta Stone. I think it was the most important
line in the whole movie. If we had not come to that
realization, Windmills would have just been
another stupid program that, at the end of the day, left
employers saying “Boy, this was a wonderful experience,
but I really don’t want to hire one of these people
because it is too hard”.
OBLN:
So, Windmills really doesn’t educate employers
about people with disabilities – as much as it educates
them about themselves.
Richard Pimentel:
Yes, that is our philosophy exactly: There is nothing
wrong with people with disabilities. There is something
wrong with the way that we react to them. The focus
can’t be that you go to employers and say “Let me tell
you why you are wrong about people with disabilities
having something wrong with them.” No, you say; “Let’s
talk about why we react the way we do... and if you look
at it in a different way, if you react in a different
way, what more can you accomplish?” That is the key to
the whole program.
OBLN:
Your old friend Art Honeyman is a central figure in the
story and his portrayal by Michael Sheen was amazing to
watch. Michael was brilliant as Tony Blair in The Queen,
but how was he chosen for this role?
Richard Pimentel:
The most physically-impaired person in the movie, of
course, is Art. Yet, if you look at it carefully, he is
the only “normal” person in the film. Everyone,
including myself, is fundamentally flawed. He is the
only one that has his act together.
The
key to casting Michael was that we weren’t looking for
someone to play an individual with cerebral palsy. That
would have been easy. We had to find the right actor to
play Art Honeyman – a real person. When this thing first
came about, I was insistent that people with cerebral
palsy be auditioned for the role and, in the case of a
dead heat with an non-disabled actor, that the person
with cerebral palsy would get the role. Michael,
however, nailed the portrayal of Art. People who know
Art Honeyman, who have seen this movie, think that they
have been put in a time machine and sent back to the
60’s. Throughout the making of the movie, Michael and
Art became quick friends. Art taught Mike how to move
and even how to drive his foot-guided electric
wheelchair. In his portrayal, Michael was Art.
We bent over backwards
to hire someone with cerebral palsy to play Art, but in
the end, we had to go back to what I have been preaching
all my life: “People with disabilities, like everyone
else, have the right to be considered for every job but,
ultimately, everyone has to be hired based on their own
ability to do the job. A disability is not inherently a
qualification.” In hiring Michael, we just hired the
best-qualified person to do the job.
OBLN:
In Music Within, we learn a little about your
experience as a disabled veteran of the Vietnam War –
and your early work in developing jobs for other
disabled vets. Do you think that theme will resonate
with today’s audiences?
Richard Pimentel:
The movie did portray some of my experience as a Vietnam
vet. I wouldn’t abandon my fallen comrades on the
battlefield and I wouldn’t abandon them at home either.
The parallel between Vietnam and Iraq is very real. We
have soldiers fighting an unpopular and controversial
war. We have very strong feelings on both sides. I
personally don’t care how anyone feels about the war,
but I do care what we feel about the warriors. We are
going to get about 100,000 soldiers back this year. We
have record numbers of soldiers with traumatic stress
disorders. We have unbelievable numbers of soldiers with
traumatic brain injuries and we have huge numbers of
soldiers with amputations. I don’t want the veterans of
this war to come back and face the same lack of
opportunity that Vietnam vets faced. I want employers
who see this movie to be aware that injured veterans
have valuable skills too.
OBLN:
One last question about Music Within… what are
your hopes for it? You designed the Windmills program
that is featured in it. It is your life story, but it is
communicating a strong message. What are you hoping that
it will be able to accomplish?
Richard Pimentel: At
first, as I started writing down my life story for the
movie, I was really concerned about selling myself as
the hero – because that seemed so wrong. As I actually
began to write, however, I stopped worrying about being
the hero and became worried about being the villain in
my own life. After a while, however, I realized that I
was neither the hero nor the villain, but barely even
the protagonist. It became not the life story of Richard
Pimentel, but the life story of the disability movement
as seen through the eyes of Richard Pimentel. The story
is about the movement – using Art and myself as the
mirror.
I am truly hoping that
seeing the movie will be a little like attending a
Windmills training – that people will see it and
come away saying “I understand.” - that people will come
away with their perspectives on people with disabilities
changed. I want employers to see it. I want teachers to
see it. I want parents of kids with disabilities to see
it. What I really want is for young people with
disabilities to see it. I want young people with
disabilities to know their history. I want them to know
that there were people like Art Honeyman who were
willing to go to jail. I want them to know where they
came from - because they have so many more places to go.
They need to know that they are a step in a longer
journey. They need to know that something happened
before them, that something is going to happen after
them, and that they are playing a part in it all.
To me personally,
Music Within is a blessing beyond belief. This movie
captures my journey and everything I have stood for. As
I get older and unable to teach as many people as I do
now, like an ancient prehistoric bee frozen in rosin,
people can pick it out and look at me! I hope that
viewers will realize, as I have come to, that,
ultimately, the only real accomplishments in life are
the differences that you make in the lives of the
individuals who you meet and touch.
Visit the
Music Within website and watch the trailer!
Learn more about
Richard Pimentel
Read about how
Portland General Electric puts the Windmills
program to work.